Gael Gobaille-Shaw: Future of Direct Air Capture Technology, Scaling 10,000 to 1 million Tons | 207

August 4, 2023

Gaël is our CTO and has been suffering from a decade-long passion for unlocking the potential of CO₂ as a resource using electrochemistry. He gained his PhD in Chemistry from the University of Bristol, specializing in experimental and theoretical approaches in CO₂ electrolysis. In the final stages of his PhD, he joined Deep Science Ventures, thereafter co-founding Mission Zero and Supercritical Solutions, both of which aim to address the cost of two fundamental industrial building blocks: CO₂ and H₂. He also loves fermentation.

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Timestamps

00:00 Direct air capture technology / Better than trees and Algae?

02:20 Filter / Using the captured CO2

06:20 Direct Filtering CO2 compared to organisms

08:45 Eutrophication / Algae  / Elliot Roth 

10:25 Whales / King arthur  

11:15 Direct air capture of Methane or Nitrous oxide 

14:20 Centrifuge capturing of gas

16:10 Chocolate milk cows / genetic engineering 

17:50 Mission Zero Technologies tech explained in more detail

22:50 Special sauce / Business strategy

24:50 Optimal size for direct air capture technology 

27:00 Manufacturing the plants at scale 

28:30 How many plants to make a dent in CO2

31:20 Enhanced oil recovery

35:50 Point of source capture 

38:50 Optimal location for his technology

42:00 Pilot plant in Oman 

42:25 why not build in Israel  

43:12 Building in the middle east

45:00 Million tons direct air capture goal

47:30 Different generations of plants / milestone 

50:30 Multi small plants vs giant plants / Utilization vs removal

53:20 Fizzy water ecological impact

57:10 10,000 ton plant cost

58:45 Challenges for 10k ton plan

59:50 Making monkey / business models 

01:02:55 Modular system for upgrading plants

01:07:00 Focusing on building in house / iterations 

01:09:50 Petri dish / easter island head closed system vs open

01:11:10 Becoming mole people / betting on the future / AI

01:14:11 Carbon tax

01:18:45 cost to fight climate change / Military

01:20:00 US vs UK globalization 

01:21:10 China globalization model

01:23:00 Book recommendations 

01:26:00 Paul Atretis / Dune

01:27:20 Staying up to date with his work

01:28:00 HP Lovecraft / Penguin disappearances / Cthulhu old gods

01:30:30 Metaphor for capitalism 

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